Line 6 PodXT Live vs. Zoom G9.2tt ????

[Guitarist511]

Okay...lets have a shoot out. I'm thinking about ditching my loose
pedals and going with one of the two units in the title. Any pro/cons,
reviews etc out there?

[Guitarist511]

Post by Guitarist511
Okay...lets have a shoot out. I'm thinking about ditching my loose
pedals and going with one of the two units in the title. Any pro/cons,
reviews etc out there?

OR THE Line 6 unit vs the Zoom G7.1ut.....anybody?

[d***@altavista.com]

Post by Guitarist511

Post by Guitarist511
Okay...lets have a shoot out. I'm thinking about ditching my loose
pedals and going with one of the two units in the title. Any pro/cons,
reviews etc out there?

OR THE Line 6 unit vs the Zoom G7.1ut.....anybody?

I have the Zoom G2.1U, and I like it a lot. They're based on the same
chip, so take that for what it's worth. Obviously, the tube(s) in the
7.1/9.1 will fatten the sound, so it should only be better. I have a
POD 2.0 and I love it, but I'm not crazy about the POD XT or the XT
Live. Not enough tweaking time with them, I guess.

If you can afford to keep your old gear, don't ditch anything. I tend
to shift from MFX units to stomp boxes depending on my mood. MFX units
do many things well, but they do have some settings/patches that are
unusable. If you've come up with stomp box settings that you enjoy,
it'd be a shame to chuck them, only to regret it later (in my case, I
got rid of an MXR Dist+ and a Big Muff Pi circa late 70's).

RF

[Dr. Zontar]

Post by d***@altavista.com
I have the Zoom G2.1U, and I like it a lot. They're based on the same
chip, so take that for what it's worth. Obviously, the tube(s) in the
7.1/9.1 will fatten the sound, so it should only be better.

I've never used the Zoom G9.2 or G2.1U, so I can't say anything about
them.

Post by d***@altavista.com
but I'm not crazy about the POD XT or the XT
Live. Not enough tweaking time with them, I guess.

I love my XT Live. If you take the time to experiment with one, you'll
be rewarded. Every tone I've ever wanted is in there, and then some.

Post by d***@altavista.com
If you can afford to keep your old gear, don't ditch anything. I tend
to shift from MFX units to stomp boxes depending on my mood. MFX units
do many things well, but they do have some settings/patches that are
unusable. If you've come up with stomp box settings that you enjoy,
it'd be a shame to chuck them, only to regret it later (in my case, I
got rid of an MXR Dist+ and a Big Muff Pi circa late 70's).

Gotta agree with that. Every time I sell or trade something, I wind up
wanting it for something later on.

- Rich

[RichCI]

Post by Dr. Zontar

Post by d***@altavista.com
If you can afford to keep your old gear, don't ditch anything. I tend
to shift from MFX units to stomp boxes depending on my mood. MFX units
do many things well, but they do have some settings/patches that are
unusable. If you've come up with stomp box settings that you enjoy,
it'd be a shame to chuck them, only to regret it later (in my case, I
got rid of an MXR Dist+ and a Big Muff Pi circa late 70's).

Gotta agree with that. Every time I sell or trade something, I wind up
wanting it for something later on.
- Rich

Yeah, sure, Rich; that's the same excuse I always use when trying to
explain my pack rat nature. "You never know! One day, I'm going to
want to use that Ebow for something and I'm going to blame YOU for
making me get rid of it!"

[Guitarist511]

Great info so far! I'm kinda leaning towards the Line 6 only 'cause I
have the Tone Port and love the amp models and effects. I like the look
of the Zoom stuff better. Looks more rugged. Anyway, still would keep
certain pedals. I have 8 and don't use a few of them.

[d***@altavista.com]

Post by Guitarist511
Great info so far! I'm kinda leaning towards the Line 6 only 'cause I
have the Tone Port and love the amp models and effects. I like the look
of the Zoom stuff better. Looks more rugged. Anyway, still would keep
certain pedals. I have 8 and don't use a few of them.

Heh heh...you know when you'll want to use them? Right after you get
rid of them. Guaranteed ;-)

RF

[Guitarist511]

yeah with my luck...well, I do mostly use some sort of dist/od and
delay. Those are the main. I don't use chorus or phaser etc that much.
I don't think I'll be missing much esp since these type of units have
those effects in them. I am really thinking of just keeping 2 pedals.

Post by d***@altavista.com

Post by Guitarist511
Great info so far! I'm kinda leaning towards the Line 6 only 'cause I
have the Tone Port and love the amp models and effects. I like the look
of the Zoom stuff better. Looks more rugged. Anyway, still would keep
certain pedals. I have 8 and don't use a few of them.

Heh heh...you know when you'll want to use them? Right after you get
rid of them. Guaranteed ;-)
RF

[Guitarist511]

Okay, I've read the manual for the Line 6 Podxt Live as well as the
Zoom G7.1ut. They are pretty close in their features. I've come to the
conclusion that the Zoom product seems to be the more polished product.
Since I'll also be using this live, Zoom claims they have the fastest
bank switching time too, which I like. I also feel the Line 6 @ $399 is
a bit over priced compared to the Zoom @ $299. I think Line 6's price
is set because they are the king of the amp models. So, with that said,
I am definitly going to go try both out at the store if I can, but can
anyone attest to Zoom's amp models? Are they well done?

[d***@altavista.com]

Post by Guitarist511
Okay, I've read the manual for the Line 6 Podxt Live as well as the
Zoom G7.1ut. They are pretty close in their features. I've come to the
conclusion that the Zoom product seems to be the more polished product.
Since I'll also be using this live, Zoom claims they have the fastest
is set because they are the king of the amp models. So, with that said,
I am definitly going to go try both out at the store if I can, but can
anyone attest to Zoom's amp models? Are they well done?

Your best course of action?

Like you said, go down to your local GC & spend a couple of hours,
going through as many settings as you can stand. Regardless of which
one has the fastest switching time, most "accurate" modeling, etc, it
all boils down to what sounds best to your ear. To be honest with you,
owning both the POD 2.0 and the Zoom G2.1U, I would have to say the POD
is more "accurate", but I like the sounds out of my Zoom just as much,
and some even more (regardless of accuracy). It's probably not going
to be an easy decision, I'm warning you. These days it seems too much
choice can be (is) paralyzing.

Good luck! Write back with your impressions of both. I'd love to try
the Zoom 7.1/9.1 models to hear the difference the tubes make.

RF
(are you not considering the Vox Tonelab SE??)

[Guitarist511]

I didn't look at the Vox Tonelab SE, but now looking at it, I'm not
fond of the design. I also considered the DigiTech GNX workstation, but
don't need a build in 8 track recorder, plus the design also was not to
my likeing. I use have quite a few digitech pedals though. Some of
which I will keep!

[d***@altavista.com]

Post by Guitarist511
I didn't look at the Vox Tonelab SE, but now looking at it, I'm not
fond of the design.

That's too bad, because I would say the Tonelab series modelers are
probably the best in terms of warmth and sonic reproduction. The SE is
$100 more than the POD XT Live and the Zoom 9.1, though.

(I also have the desktop Tonelab version ;-) and sonically it's the
best out of all my "toys")

RF

[CWB]

Post by Guitarist511
I didn't look at the Vox Tonelab SE, but now looking at it, I'm not
fond of the design. I also considered the DigiTech GNX workstation, but
don't need a build in 8 track recorder, plus the design also was not to
my likeing. I use have quite a few digitech pedals though. Some of
which I will keep!

Do as you said and try them all out and decide at that point. I have
a Line 6 XTLive and love it. Truth of the matter is I could care less
what the model representations are. In the big scheme of things, to
me who cares what gear you have the bottom line is the end result.

My partner has a Boss GT-6. His sound is in fact different than mine,
but we have spent zero time trying to dial in our different gear to
sound alike. It is no doubt possible. We just dial in sounds that
compliment each other

Again try them all out and get the one you feel is going to best suit
your needs regardless of price.

Good luck.

Charlie
http://www.soundclick.com/project43
http://project-43.com

[iliace]

DigiTech GNX3000 does not have a recorder. It sounds better than GNX3
or 4.

Post by Guitarist511
I didn't look at the Vox Tonelab SE, but now looking at it, I'm not
fond of the design. I also considered the DigiTech GNX workstation, but
don't need a build in 8 track recorder, plus the design also was not to
my likeing. I use have quite a few digitech pedals though. Some of
which I will keep!

[Guitarist511]

Oh that's right! I still like the Line 6 and Zoom designs. I did hear
that the Digitech GNX products are built like tanks though. I have a
few of their pedals and those things you cannot break!

[iliace]

I have a 3000. I chose it over PodXTL - I have an original Pod Pro,
find it more useable. A few fellow GNX users have tried the G9.2 and
voted GNX3000 over it any day... haven't heard it myself, so not sure
what's missing from it. If you want a tube-based modeling unit, it
looks like ToneLab is still the weapon of choice.

Have you tried the Korg AX3000? Again I'll go with GNX3000 tones over
that one, but it does offer a lot of versatility and programmability,
overall.

Try them all! Don't forget the Boss GT series...

Post by Guitarist511
Oh that's right! I still like the Line 6 and Zoom designs. I did hear
that the Digitech GNX products are built like tanks though. I have a
few of their pedals and those things you cannot break!

[Guitarist511]

I was looking at the 3000 again...Doesn't look to bad. Have you use
digitechs pedals?
I have the MutiChorus, DigiDelay, HyperPhase and DF-7. How do the
sounds of the 3000 compare to their stomps?

[iliace]

No multi-chorus; you can adjust LFO shape, depth, rate, mix, and stereo
position. As compared to DigiDelay, only 2 sec on GNXs; none of the
special delays (only digital/analog mono, digital/analog pong, and
spread up to 50ms). I don't use phaser and don't have HyperPhase.
Effects quality is pretty good, it's no G System but workable. Same
AudioDNA DSP chip is used in all the standalone pedals you mentioned.
All the DF-7 stompboxes are available, with all controls of the
original models. All modulations and delays are post-amp modeling. I
run it to a PA-type sound system; you might have some trouble running
to an amp without a power amp in (e.g. at instrument input).

Post by Guitarist511
I was looking at the 3000 again...Doesn't look to bad. Have you use
digitechs pedals?
I have the MutiChorus, DigiDelay, HyperPhase and DF-7. How do the
sounds of the 3000 compare to their stomps?

[Guitarist511]

okay the pedal selling has started

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=011&item=320000726605&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

please help my cause....he he

[Guitarist511]

okay the rest are on ebay as well....Tube Screamer, Digitech Hyper
Phase, Digitech Digi Delay, Digitech Multi Chorus.

[iliace]

What did you decide on?

Post by Guitarist511
okay the rest are on ebay as well....Tube Screamer, Digitech Hyper
Phase, Digitech Digi Delay, Digitech Multi Chorus.

[Guitarist511]

I'm leaning towards the Zoom for a few reasons. I have the Line 6 Tone
Port already, the Zoom has a tube in it for warmth, and it is also $100
cheaper.

[iliace]

Post by Guitarist511
I'm leaning towards the Zoom for a few reasons. I have the Line 6 Tone
Port already, the Zoom has a tube in it for warmth, and it is also $100
cheaper.

The Zoom has warmth??? That's news to me... it seemed like the XT has
more warmth than that the 9.2! Post some sound samples when you have
it.

[Guitarist511]

Well, I guess the fact that the G7 has 1 12AX7 and the G9 has 2 12AX7
tubes in the unit, that is to provide some extra boost and warmth
depending on how much the tubes are saturated. The analog and digital
is mixed together to provide an overal better sound.

So on another note, I am almost there with the cash and should have
this soon. I'll let you know what I think. I have one last pedal to
sell. A sweet digitech multi chorus. I just don't use chorus that much.
I prefer a little delay instead.

Here's the link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=011&item=320002966293&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

[iliace]

I only heard the G9 myself briefly, it sounded ok but not significantly
better than my GFX7 back in the day... if my memory serves me right.
One promoter from the orient (her name is Koori I think) posted sound
samples, which sounded thin and buzzy and overall not impressive.
Another buddy of mine got a G9 to try, and comparing it to GNX3000 and
POD XTL returned it within days. I usually don't let things like that
drive my decisions, but I'm waiting for someone else to try it out and
like it before I jump in! Always down for trying new things...

One issue might be that units such as GNXs, PODs, etc are oriented at
the modeling amp crowd, and thus running to either a full-range system,
or a flat power amp (such as Carvin DCMs or the TS100) going straight
to a pair of cabinets. The Zoom units, historically and now, are more
suitable for going to the front end of an amplifier; their "amp models"
are programmed more like distortion stompboxes. That might account for
differences of opinion. It's the same issue with Digitech 2120, etc.
running direct to console. Speaker compensation modes account for more
of the dissents... list goes on.

Long story short, I'll be waiting for your report on this! Good luck.

Post by Guitarist511
Well, I guess the fact that the G7 has 1 12AX7 and the G9 has 2 12AX7
tubes in the unit, that is to provide some extra boost and warmth
depending on how much the tubes are saturated. The analog and digital
is mixed together to provide an overal better sound.
So on another note, I am almost there with the cash and should have
this soon. I'll let you know what I think. I have one last pedal to
sell. A sweet digitech multi chorus. I just don't use chorus that much.
I prefer a little delay instead.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=011&item=320002966293&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

[Guitarist511]

Check out these links a G7 user posted in another forum. I think they
sound pretty good.

http://www.positivenrg.net/hw1g7.mp3

http://www.positivenrg.net/nrsg7.mp3

[iliace]

Wow, those samples do sound pretty good! I might have to try one of
these, one day...

Post by Guitarist511
Check out these links a G7 user posted in another forum. I think they
sound pretty good.
http://www.positivenrg.net/hw1g7.mp3
http://www.positivenrg.net/nrsg7.mp3

[d***@altavista.com]

Post by Guitarist511
Check out these links a G7 user posted in another forum. I think they
sound pretty good.
http://www.positivenrg.net/hw1g7.mp3
http://www.positivenrg.net/nrsg7.mp3

Toldja ;-)

I find my G2.1U it very different from my POD. But I like 'em both. I
think if you were to settle on the G7 or G9, you won't be disappointed.

RF

[Tim]

I had an opportunity to A/B my Zoom G9.2tt with my friend's XTL. Yes,
all the preamps on the Zoom - especially the clean to crunchy ones,
sound warmer than the XTL's. The Plexi for example - on the Zoom unit
it sounds like the tone knob's on zero compared to the Plexi of the
XTL. By the way, all EQ's were set flat, and we both connected direct
to the PA.

Post by iliace

Post by Guitarist511
I'm leaning towards the Zoom for a few reasons. I have the Line 6 Tone
Port already, the Zoom has a tube in it for warmth, and it is also $100
cheaper.

The Zoom has warmth??? That's news to me... it seemed like the XT has
more warmth than that the 9.2! Post some sound samples when you have
it.

[Mark Outrage]

Post by Guitarist511
Great info so far! I'm kinda leaning towards the Line 6 only 'cause I
have the Tone Port and love the amp models and effects. I like the look
of the Zoom stuff better. Looks more rugged. Anyway, still would keep
certain pedals. I have 8 and don't use a few of them.

I have an XT live, and it's pretty sturdy.
I'm not crazy about the built-in effects (I'm not into modulation too much,
and many of them are musically unuseful to me). Tubes in distortion pedals
can sound just as good/bad as analog distortion, but if the Zoom is anything
like the old digitech pedals, I'm sold :)

sell the pedals you don't like and get a POD (or V-amp) Pro and use it like
an amp: setup a baseline sound (or two, or 122...) some "ambience" if
needed, and stomp on the pedals as required.

[Guitarist511]

Well I'm hopeing the Zoom will be awesome. I do like my digitech pedals
but don't need them all and am selling to raise the cash for the Zoom.
I'm keeping one DigiTech DigiDelay and the DigiTech DF-7 distortion
factory. Use those 2 all the time.

The ones that I am selling are:
1 DigiTech DigiDelay Digital Delay
1 DigiTech Hyper Phase Phaser
1 DigiTech MulitChorus

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZktadkins3

[d***@altavista.com]

Post by Guitarist511
Okay...lets have a shoot out. I'm thinking about ditching my loose
pedals and going with one of the two units in the title. Any pro/cons,
reviews etc out there?

Here's a demo song from Zoom's japanese site using the 7.1ut:

http://www.zoom.co.jp/english/download/demosound/demo_g71u.php

And here's a 9.2tt demo:

http://www.zoom.co.jp/english/download/demosound/demo_g92tt.php

Here's a Vox Tonelab demo:

http://www.voxamps.co.uk/support/resources.asp?productCode=TLABP&groupCode=DEMO

RF

[Guitarist511]

okay here is my report -

I love this thing!! Sounds great and the tube does add warmth to the
sound, but you don't want to overdrive the tube too much or you will
distort. That may be what you are after. There are oodles of effects
that sound great and the pedal not only can be a wah but can be an
expression pedal as well manipulating up to 4 different parameters at a
time. The amp models/preamp section is great too. Good sounds. The only
thing I wish they had done differently is allowing you to choose an amp
model as well as a pedal simulation. You can't and they have given a
couple of combo selections. I guess this is straight up you choose your
preamp type whether it's a amp model or od/dist model and then your
effects. The unit is built like a tank and all controls are very
intuative. I was up and running in no time after a quick breeze through
the manual. The one thing I did notice is that a lot of setting via the
headphones/recording where you use the cabinet modeling require a lot
less tweaking then when you use the algorithm for no cabinet because
you are running into an actual amp. But this all makes sense because
every amp is different and every room is different and you will need to
tweak accordingly.

A+ on this product!

[d***@altavista.com]

Post by Guitarist511
okay here is my report -
I love this thing!! Sounds great and the tube does add warmth to the
sound, but you don't want to overdrive the tube too much or you will
distort. That may be what you are after. There are oodles of effects
that sound great and the pedal not only can be a wah but can be an
expression pedal as well manipulating up to 4 different parameters at a
time. The amp models/preamp section is great too. Good sounds. The only
thing I wish they had done differently is allowing you to choose an amp
model as well as a pedal simulation. You can't and they have given a
couple of combo selections. I guess this is straight up you choose your
preamp type whether it's a amp model or od/dist model and then your
effects. The unit is built like a tank and all controls are very
intuative. I was up and running in no time after a quick breeze through
the manual. The one thing I did notice is that a lot of setting via the
headphones/recording where you use the cabinet modeling require a lot
less tweaking then when you use the algorithm for no cabinet because
you are running into an actual amp. But this all makes sense because
every amp is different and every room is different and you will need to
tweak accordingly.
A+ on this product!

Hey good for you! You got the 7.1, I take it. Any toy that makes you
want to pick up the guitar more is a good toy in my book. Enjoy!
Upload some clips when you have some time.

RF

[Falco Stellare]

Post by Guitarist511
I love this thing!! Sounds great and the tube does add warmth to the
sound

The same for me. Zoom is back to ancient glory with this new amazing
consoles. I've also purchased the A2.1u acoustic version, really nice.